The sinister Nick fury on the "Corridor of death" prison map that came with Sinister was lethal for 63 points. 3 damage with Psychic blast (penetrating damage!) and about 6 or 8 range. Shield team ability as well.

As for avengers Stardust, a power cosmic figure (Willpower AND can't be countered as a trait basically!) with 19 defense in a set that generally had about 10 attack as average. That's 9+ on 2 d6 to hit that. You need to roll above average.

The original poster of this page must be complete newbie or an absolute idiot or both.

PS I know what I'm talking about. I know several judges AND play against the UK national champion on a regular (almost weekly) basis. They would all agree with these comments.

Posted by: kalaxis on 8/17/2010 12:44:11 PM

I think you just tried to make a list that would be "controversial."

That, or you don't know what you're talking about...

Posted by: thugit on 7/20/2010 11:58:49 AM

Nah sorry but Darksied has caused me no end of trouble the few times iv come across him, although i do normally bring him down it is regularly at great cost to my team

Bats is fantastic, never seen him played but just look at that dial, yes people will see him and want him dead straight away coz he's a chase but as someone already stated you can use their prejudices to your advantage.

Green Scar is a combat beast, given that for the same points you can get someone better but he's far from bad, i've used him to good effect several times.

Thor, im sorry but anyone with that kind of manoverability, range, visiblility and damage output is nightmareish! and given the age of this clix it still stands tall today. the low defence value on him seems to be a pretty stonge theme with most of the ultimates set or so ive noticed.

apocalypse... ok i'll give you that one, i dont think i've ever seen him used to good effect and i have safely avoided using him since i got my hands on it with the release of M&M. he's the most expensive fig on the list and by far the most useless. too many points to spend on a wannabe jack of all trades and an expert at none!

Posted by: Ste on 6/25/2010 11:56:17 PM

im with you on the bat and scar but i think that you must have just had bad experiences with the rest

Posted by: theo on 6/18/2010 2:35:56 AM

Wow. First, I must say that I generally agree with you, The Le, on just about every article you've written for pojo. However, I am in total disagreement about Ult. Thor and the Lampost Batman. Darkseid and Apocolypse, MAYBE, but Thor?? This guy can trash anybody within range! Plus, he has Running Shot!! You still have PLENTY of room for a couple of feats. Again, his defense does leave something to be desired,but still...

P.S. Ultimate was one of the most abused pieces ever, but I would have to say, according to cramcompany, that Vet. Firelord was by far the most abused piece ever.

Posted by: BlackBolt166 on 6/16/2010 7:34:19 AM

hay sorry but i im offended by you all trashing lamp post bats ok i got him recently and he took on people 3 times his dial points you cant point down a guy that can deal out 6-8 damage depending how u use him i use him to one shot people and whens hes about to die hell through him into stealth and watch the outwit go im sorry but i im offended by this post i really im bats dont need to be there at all

Posted by: hi on 5/18/2010 10:51:39 PM

I was shocked you included such figures as Apocolypse, and Darkseid in this list, but the final straw was including lamp post Batman.
Who exactly do you think Batman is? A crazed gun nut? A keen eyed sharp shooter?
HELL NO!
That Punisher and Green Arrow, batman doesn't have any weapons on his sculpt what makes you think he would be ranged. I fail to see any evidence in anything I've ever seen about Batman that would even remotely indicate that he his a ranged fighter.
This figure is the most comic book accurate batman there is. He is a close range fighter. Outwit their defense at range charge in flurry for 6 or 4 damage.
It's not rocket science.
If stealth and close combat poses a conundrum to you try this.
WAIT FOR THEM TO COME TO YOU! JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHARGE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE IT!

Posted by: Silent Coyote on 5/16/2010 5:35:35 PM

Wow...really? Either the people you play against are really bad, or you have used these figures poorly yourself. You have not created a list of the Figures Overrated [By] The Most, but a list of good figures that suffer a bit of expectation anxiety because of the persona they represent and values on the dial. Your first error is assuming that all high cost figures go up against a team with Outwit and instantly lose. I have personally used Darkseid and Greenscar very effectively, I've seen Apocalypse used brutally, and you vastly underestimate what U Thor brings to the table. Even today, the ability to reach two targets at 10 range and ignore Stealth and the hindering terrain modifier is almost unique. The ability to do so with a strong-solid-strog attack value and 4-5 damage for everything except that 8/3 click...many people have used Outwit to hit U Thor only to find themselves pasted to the nearest wall as a direct consequence. Consider too that formidable Icons V Supes suffers severe AV decay down the dial, unlike U Thor for 65 points of savings. That means that while he can be hit, he practically doesn't miss. That point gap is also enough for Fortitude and a sidekick with Outwit. He's certainly quite beatable, but putting on in the top five overrated figures is sheer overreaction.

Darkseid: read some real reviews and play against a player who can actually use him. With no Power Cosmic / Quintessence he was never expected to be the unbeatable terror of the battlefield except by the most naieve. Plus, 90 points is a lot of leeway for support options. Plus, that range number is 12. And if you're arguing that his values should be higher, he has better numerical statistics than figures 50 points more expensive (many with flight, M-A, AND useful Team Abilities) as well as his power set. 12 range does a lot to counter mobility.

General comment for Regeneration: many times the answer on Regeneration clicks is not to use Regeneration. Especially when talking about

Posted by: Arokosaki on 5/15/2010 7:35:28 PM

You obviously have not played with Ultimates Thor.

Posted by: Ilkimys on 4/18/2010 12:51:01 PM

I have used batman, and I agree he needs a team to back him up. I had Captain Gordon and batman on a team, and they alone beat a 500 piont team. I think batman is really good for his pionts. I agree with the Green scar comment,(I have never seen him win). And I hate Apoc, I think he should be more pionts. And Darkseid is a beast of heroclix, but that's just my thought.

Posted by: Jack on 3/19/2010 11:48:19 AM

I definitely see what ure saying with some of these, I really like the Darkseid clix but his movement leaves alot to be desired. For some reason Thor always got a low defense(till now with HoT). I've actually done pretty good with Green Scar, to me he is awesome. Everytime I've played against him, I've taken him out. I guess the main thing is just teams and strategy. Maybe u should do a battle royal with ure list and see who comes out on top? Could be fun.

Posted by: Geminimerc on 3/5/2010 3:36:06 AM

no way Apoc is overrated! Not only am I the only one I know that uses him, I've won every game I've used him in! I mean, his first clix are hard to knock him off of with Imp and shapechange and if they do, he can regenerate to come right back. I admit he does cost a lot and that is a downfall but I think it's a reasonable trade off.

Posted by: Mike on 2/8/2010 11:22:04 PM

pretty good list. I agree with most of it, but some of the characters i've never seem played. I can think of a few others: Lex Luthor, Mon-el, the House of M Magneto, and a couple others. And Ultimate Thor is the most overrated figure, like, ever.

Posted by: johnny on 1/29/2010 2:35:10 PM

Lamp Batman is not ment to go head to head by his lonesome. It is all about the team work. If teamed up with Robin(aa), Batgirl, and/or Nightwing the group can hold there own. Opening move you can move then use smoke cloud as a free action (not bad in my mined). He is a target because he is a chase piece, but I used that to my advantage buy backing him up with Nightwing and robin to out smart and out maneuver every one. A team of stealth, outwit and perplexes is hard to defeat when you focuses on team work and not on "HULK SMASH" tactics.

Posted by: GrayWolf34 on 11/30/2009 6:48:05 PM

Whaoo....
I don't see how Ult Thor could be overrated. You certainly didn't play heroclix when Ult set was out, and the following years.
Thor was in almost every team in tourney. People started complaining. We could see in HCR many threads from people who wanted him to be retired.
No other heroclix piece has ever been so dominant.

Posted by: Pascal21 on 8/18/2009 7:55:50 AM

Darkseid frontloaded really? He has an 18 and 19 DV. You may have had a bad experience with him but he does not deserve to be on this list. I agree Batman always goes down first on every team I've played him on. People must think beating a chase gives you the same feeling of pulling one. I think your disdain for Regeneration may effect your picks as well. Green Scar is slow but his 4 clix of Imp. and WP help out running down an opponent. Just my opinions and rebuttals, plus I'm one of those people who thinks Darkseid is a beast.

Posted by: jarosa on 8/1/2009 9:56:17 AM

Hmm....I won a regional with Ultimate Thor...don't see how he could be 'overrated'.

Posted by: sol on 7/31/2009 3:21:55 PM

Putting Sinister Nick Fury on the honorable Mentions list and saying one should instead take Goliath, makes no sense to me. I personally don't consider Nick overrated. Granted, you have to push him before he gets really useful, but what he can do then is just mean. And he will certainly force your opponent to pay him some attention. I don't see, where Goliath has anything to do with Nick. I find it horrific to see that a figure with so many seful powers and such a deep dial has such a low point cost! He should at least be in the 70s.

Posted by: DustyDuke_II on 7/27/2009 3:38:56 PM